Jon Gay goes sub-24 on Winter Ramsay

Posted in The Sweat by Matt Ward on Tue 26 Feb '13

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A shattered Jon after his Ramsay last weekend

Lochaber runner Jon Gay completed an amazing feat of long-distance mountain running this last weekend when he completed the gruelling 60 mile Ramsay Round, which takes in 24 summits, including Ben Nevis…

Jon’s full story in his own words!

‘Winter conditions paradox’

I was extremely fortunate to complete a Ramsay’s Round in stunning weather and snow conditions this weekend. I finished in a time of 23 hours, 18 minutes. I have decided to write it up briefly as I have enjoyed reading reports by others.

Having the advantage that the the Ramsay’s is within running distance of my house it is possible to pick my weather (assume drizzle in Fort William). This time there was superb winter conditions, very benign. Paradoxically I believe that the snow surface made significant parts of he run easier than summer. Please see attached my split times.

I like spend most of my spare time in these hills and admit to failing many a winter Tranter or Ramsay attempt over the years. My Brother Dan (summer Ramsay’s completion), and I became experienced at running the Corrour to Tulloch railway after abortive attempts, great for the neck muscles and general awareness. Last February we did manage to get well over half way anti clockwise before retiring with cold feet.

At the time Andy Kitchin was going the other way and also stopped due to the cold after a similar distance (we saw his head torch at Loch Treig). We realised that if you aggregated the times it proved that the winter round could be done in under 24 hours, assuming perfect conditions.

I was pleased to complete a Ramsay’s in summer 2010 along with Pete Duggan. I am an average runner especially on the flat, but ok at ascending or general hill bashing. Completion for me in winter seemed a long shot.

Friend Bruce Poll who is a Ramsay- ist and Aspirant Alpine Guide had blogged about the improving climbing and snow conditions during the last week of very settled high pressure. I asked him if it was runnable up top, he said yes- solid, remember your axe!

Arguably a wind chill of minus 20, frozen to sea level and snow line at 600 metres would comprise ‘full winter conditions’, continental ones possibly. Axe and crampons were extensively needed. From studying the weather it was obvious that there was zero cause for concern here. As implied above I am not up to attempting in harsh weather at the winter solstice, but this would be a much more admirable ethic for completion!

This time I decided to go clockwise, not start in the middle of the night, nor walk to the start, nor go unsupported with a huge sack. This strategy had resulted in my latest retreat in January (drizzle). Sense prevailed and I asked my friend and fellow Lochaber Athletic member Tark Gunn, at short notice, to provide food (and motivational) support at Loch Trieg Dam. I recommend Tark’s hill walking courses, his advice and help kept me safe and made it all possible.

Ascending the Ben the cloud was down and there was fine snow falling. Here we go again I thought, whilst struggling with my crampons/ reviving my fingers. But emerging down Carn Mor Dearg Arete (runnable due to snow cover) I entered an Alpine wonderland with rime on the rocks and full ‘styrofoam’ neve (hard snow) underfoot.

Extensive snow cover was visible throughout the route. CMD was way quicker than summer, most of the rubble was banked out. Descent was a full but careful run. Even a man in heavy plastic boots was fairly shifting, initially I thought he might be doing a Ramsay!

The ascent of the West face of Aonach Mor was a little hairy in places (in Kahtoola flexible 10 point walking crampons) with pockets of water ice and very hard neve, I went too far left where it steepens. On top some ski mountaineers asked me if I was ok and had I lost something?

Why would anyone be running about up there? Fortunately the descent of the narrow Coire Bhuic, possibly the technical ‘crux’ of the route went well. I had tried digging an improvised snow inspection pit but could hardly penetrate the snow with the axe, it looked very safe. I carefully climbed along the back of the broken cornice and front pointed down the steep to a more comfortable angle.

I have traversed the Grey Corries many times but never has the ‘running track’ been this amenable, the hard snow covered nearly all the rubble. I had to phone Tark to say I was early. Just before meeting my upstairs neighbour. I was able to sprint down to Stob Ban, although I nearly emasculated my self with my crampons in an unfortunate slide, didn’t know my knee bent that far.

The following describe the next few hills and are trends throughout the route- firm snow down to near valley level (if you followed the ‘leads’). Not once did my foot go through crust, the surface was reliable. There was no ploughing through heavy snow. In some popular areas preserved footprints enabled crampons to be avoided (saving time). There was water Ice in the valley (nice dry feet).

Much of the heather was covered. My split of about 9 hours at Chno Dearg (say half way) illustrates the strength of the conditions. I witnessed stunning orange Alpenglow as the sun set when I was descending this hill (at twice the speed of heather bashing). An Alpine day.

Along the track after Corrour innate mediocrity kicked in and I slowed. I met a guy called Viv who was completing a fast Loch Treig round (I realised that we had seen him at the Dam). I had thought his footprints may have been from a Ramsay-ist. Again this shows how good the mountain running was that day.

At Loch Eilde ruin I saw head torches, amazingly they proved to be supporters for Jason Hubert’s Anti Clockwise Ramsay’s attempt. A big coincidence but shows consensus on the quality of the conditions. I was grateful for the coffee and malt loaf they gave me and I had a short rest. Kinlochleven was rather tempting at the time. I met Jason and friend on Sgurr Eilde Mor, this was very uplifting. It looked like he was going well. He warned me that the Mamores were Icy. I confirmed that the Grey Corries were a dream.

Shortly after I started feeling sick, weak and dizzy- completely debilitating. I gave in a number of times and had to lie briefly in the snow, before becoming cold. It was a thorough effort of will to move. If there had been any weather threat or higher wind chill I would have force marched myself immediately down, I guess to the bothy.

But it appeared to be temporary low blood sugar or the body generally protesting as it does on these long routes. Glucose gradually brought me back to life. Binnein Beag was a grim experience. I felt bad again on Na Gruigaichean where in my tired state the lights of Kinlochleven were tantalising.

The Mamores were indeed icy and I believe retain less snow level than the Grey Corries side. Therefore the rocks protrude through which slow things down relative to my earlier mountain ‘pavement’ experience. The out and back legs are a slog (spiced up with their isolated exposed moves).

I have done the Mamores too many times and I can be forgiven for not feeling an appropriate sense of adventure at points, the sickness making a minor reappearance. Sgurr a Mhaim’s ascent was soul destroying, especially against the clock. I had haemorrhaged 2 hours in the Mamores, no doubt from my earlier over exuberance.

Seeing Mullach nan Coirean under the moonlight raised my spirits exponentially and reminded me of our winter 19 hour winter Tranter’s round when we were nearly dead on our feet (harsh conditions). If I could do it then I could do it now, especially without ice block feet. I think this is crucial, this time two pairs of wool lined waterproof socks did the trick.

The descent from Mullach wasn’t the dream I had been expecting and I fell several times on water ice, too tired to to care or to put my crampons on again. Despite having been living for the moment I could stop running (lets call it jogging by that point) it was almost disappointing to do so, such was my exhilaration at the end.

Conclusion. Besides the mountains being so ‘runnable’ and the weather perfect, the near full moon topped everything. The solid snow may have made it faster or marginally less exhausting than summer. I have been extremely lucky. I am obviously delighted to complete but feel humbled to have got a decent time in winter when many runners could have gone faster in such wonderful conditions.

The Ramsay’s Round is a 24 hour hill circuit of 60 miles taking in 24 summits including Ben Nevis, the Aonachs, Grey Corries, the Loch Trieg group and he Mamores with a total climb of around 28,500 feet. Originated by Charlie Ramsay in 1978.


Jon’s brother Dan also posted this on Facebook:

At the weekend my brother Jon obliterated the record for running the winter Ramsay round. I don’t normally write running-related Facebook updates but this is such an enormous achievement that it deserves mention (and it’s not about me, although I can bathe in reflected glory).

He ran the 24 Munros solo, over a distance of 58 miles, covering 28,500 feet of ascent, in 23 hours 18 minutes. That’s a whole four hours quicker than the previous record set last year.

It’s difficult to imagine — but it’s a bit like ascending Everest from sea level, mostly at night, on your own. Only four people are known to have done it in winter in the 34 years since the summer round was first completed.

Anyone into winter Munroing will know that just one or two can prove tricky. The required winter skills take years to develop. I can say from personal experience that traversing the Mamores at night on dead legs in the dark whilst sleep-deprived is not particularly pleasant – but I’ve never tried it on my own. Anyway, it’s an amazing achievement and I’m proud of Jon.

Jon Gay’s full sub-24 Ramsay Round splits

Clockwise, Solo, Charlie Ramsay’s Round. 23 to 24th February 2013.

Solo with static support. Start Glen Nevis YHA 08:10 (am)
Ben Nevis 09:37
Carn Mor Dearg 10:13
Aonach Mor 10:57
Aonach Beag 11:12
Sgurr Chonnich Mor 12:09 (I think it says)
Stob Coire Laoigh 12:36
Stob Coire Claurigh 13:06
Stob Ban 13:33
Stob Coire Easain 14:46
Stob a Choire Mheadhoin 15:03
Loch Trieg Dam Arrive 15:47 (food support)
Loch Trieg Dam Depart 16:10 approx
Stob Choire Sgriodain 17:08
Chno Dearg 17:39
Beinn na Lap 18:46
Railway Bridge near Corrour 19.24
Ruin at Loch Eilde 22:00 or just before (spent about 5 to 10 minutes). Coffee with another runner’s support.
Sgurr Eilde Mor 22:43
Binnein Beag 23:50
Binnein Mor 00:56
Na Gruagaichean 01:23
An Gearanach 02:37
Stob Coirea 03:08
Chairn Am Bodach 03:37
Sgurr an Iubhair 04:07 (I think it says)
Sgurr a Mhaim 04:38
Stob Ban 05:39
Mullach nan Coirean 06:21

Finish Glen Nevis YHA 07:28:06

Total time: 23 hours: 18 minutes.

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  1. Tony Mollica Feb 27, 04:00 AM

    Congratulations Jon! A nice day’s work!

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